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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2016.05.19 19:25:40 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Lan Wang wrote:there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game. You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income. Lan Wang wrote:yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything. Lan Wang wrote:it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward.
People are mostly mad about it because it's SP. If the reward was ISK, nobody would of cried as much. CCP is offering their ultimate drugs on which a large part of the player base is already addicted. Of course people will feel forced to do it just like smokers MUST smoke and drug addict are suffering when they skip over their regular consumption. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.19 19:36:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Lan Wang wrote:there is no other tasks which give sp bonuses so i dont feel like im being penalised if i dont login to gain this 5mil sp a year bonus, thats what i like about eve, im not forced to login everyday because i lose nothing for having a life out of game. You do though. Say you and I play the exact same time and the same activities. If you don't log in for a day you lose 1 days worth of income. Lan Wang wrote:yes its the start of a system which will probably require you to login everyday or you will lose something, ive played plenty of mmo's where stuff dies or you get to a stage where you have to login (or run a bot) to fulfill these tasks, even promotes account sharing, its totally bad news. thats what dailies are designed to do You won't lose anything, you'll simply not gain anything. Lan Wang wrote:it is penalisin you because if i dont follow this task that ccp wants me to do then i dont get a reward, even though im active everyday Literally the same as any other activity that currently gives you a reward. income, i earn my income out of game, the joys of eve i can offer my rl skills and be paid for it ingame, its a bit hypocritical for you to say that, if we login at the same time and both shoot rats and i dont login 1 day i lose that 10k sp, thats being penalised for not logging in. income has no real merit if you dont log in, nobody really cares, the daily is designed to get people to login or they feel like they lose something
With all those comment about how people feel, is this a good thread to drop a HTFU?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2830
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Posted - 2016.05.19 19:48:11 -
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Neadayan Drakhon wrote:currently there are 2277 posts in the thread on the feedback center thread about this, most of them against dailies to varying degrees of "grrr"
Very little support for the idea as is; some support for a modified version of the idea, and a lot of vehement opposition to it.
I fall into the "vehemently opposed" group. Dailies in EVE is a horrible idea that should never see the light of day. What is CCP thinking, why are they incappable of listening to their players?
As a whole, we do not want this. Yes there are some who do, and many more who probably don't care one way or the other, but the VAST majority of those who chose to voice an oppinion stated in no uncertain terms that this is a bad idea and they did not want it implemented.
Will it be effective in increasing logins? Most likely. But it will be for the wrong reasons, which have been explained and re-explained ad nauseum in the main thread.
The most vocal about jump fatigue were against it, the most vocal about skynet carrier/supers were agaisnt it. The most vocal about any subject are always the ones who don;t want it because the others just won't bother posting about it. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.19 19:52:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:yeah it will sound soo much better coming from a goon 
At the end of the day, no matter what the corp/alliance ticker there is under my name, the message is still the same. It's not like I gain anything more than anyone else out of this. I don't have any alts to earn this multiple time and I don;t log everyday. I also don't plan on logging every day for that because 10k SP is not worth it to me. Some people think it's worth doing something they hate and that's their choice but I really think they should accept that CCP don't force them to do anything and they are also not losing anything if they don;t do it except the opportunity to do it. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.19 22:33:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Shayla Etherodyne wrote:If you use your RL income to get isk for the game, as you imply, spending a couple of hours working instead of playing will net you a skill injector, at least 100 K Sp instead of 10 K. So you aren't losing anything by not logging and having your RL, actually you are gaining SP. Simply you aren't playing. how am i not losing something which is given as a free incentive? if i get offered a free lunch if i turn up to a restaraunt one day and i dont do it then im losing a free lunch, yeah i can buy the lunch because i worked some overtime but then its not free is it?
You didn't lose a free launch. You never had it in the first place. Something that is offered to you is only yours if you actually take it. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2833
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Posted - 2016.05.20 11:36:21 -
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elitatwo wrote:So since CCP has hired one million new employees, how do you pay us for doing another job?
I expect damages in the likes of 750.000 trillion isk by the end of quarter, oh a level up of course.
They pay you 10k SP. You can choose to forgo doing the job if you wish. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 12:50:30 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jarrard Lorn wrote:Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...
I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... -¼_-¼ ofcourse it will affect people who dont want to do them as we will be constantly notified every time we dock and undock that our dailies are not complete
I though they had removed that part close to the end of the test on SiSi. Could of been when they removed the entire feature for a time tho... |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 14:07:10 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Jarrard Lorn wrote:Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...
I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... -¼_-¼ Yes, because the extra SP being dumped into the game will lower the prices of SP in the skill injector market. Everyone using that market to get extra ISK will be effected.
Oh noes!!!! People can't make as much ISK out of subbed but otherwise inactive account. The tragedy!!!!! |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 17:19:21 -
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elitatwo wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:elitatwo wrote:So since CCP has hired one million new employees, how do you pay us for doing another job?
I expect damages in the likes of 750.000 trillion isk by the end of quarter, oh a level up of course. They pay you 10k SP. You can choose to forgo doing the job if you wish. No for SATAN's sake! I AM DOING A JOB THAT I AM NOT GETTING PAID FOR!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT DESERVE OR EARN THEM WILL GET THEM TOO. Are you just too daft to comprehend that and you are with a swarm of the dumbest creatures ever existed??
Those who didn't earn them won't get them since they will not have accomplished the requirement to get it. For those who don't deserve them, I'd like to get a definition of what is deserving or not of it because frankly, mine is kinda simplistic by making anyone who does the required task deserving of those SP since that's effectively the only requirement CCP put on it. If you have a different definition, you should put it here so we can discuss it.
As for not getting paid, this is entirely your won problem and not mine. I'm playing a game in which I don't expect to get paid. All I expect is to get what I am promised and manage to complete the requirement. If CCP tells me I will get 10k SP for killing a rat every 22 hours, I expect to get 10k SP when I kill a rat once every 22 hours. I surely don't expect them to give me those SP if I fail to kill a rat for whatever reason is might be from not being able to log to having extracted every single spaceship command skill preventing me from unlocking to go kill a rat.
As for being daft and dumb, I will just let the insult slide seeing as I will follow my standard procedure of using part of a game I enjoy and just ignoring the one I dislike because at the end of the day, I play this game, just like any other games, for the entertainment value, not maximizing my e-wallet, e-fame, e-creds or e-fight record. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2836
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Posted - 2016.05.20 17:22:00 -
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Isaac Armer wrote: So one more time, what game mechanic prevents you from fitting +5s?
When you have any pirate set plugged in since they cap out at +4?
If you can pretend it's impossible for you to change ship to get in one that can at least field a weapon system, people should be able to pretend they can't get out of their pirate set which isn't a +5 set. In both case, saying it's impossible to go around is blatantly false but hey, if you want to roll in bad arguments, it's your call. |
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 18:17:31 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:When you have any pirate set plugged in since they cap out at +4?
If you can pretend it's impossible for you to change ship to get in one that can at least field a weapon system, people should be able to pretend they can't get out of their pirate set which isn't a +5 set. In both case, saying it's impossible to go around is blatantly false but hey, if you want to roll in bad arguments, it's your call. So if you have one account that's a pure industrial character or a pure scout in deep null or WHs, you should have to have your playstyle dictated for SP gain now?
Those are choice that you make. Just like most things in EVE, CCP is offering you choices. If you do X, you will get Y. If you kill a rat, you get 10k SP. If you kill a rat with bounty, you get that bounty. If you use the right implants, you get more SP/hours. If you complete this missing, you get this reward. If you lose your ship under insurance contract, you get this amount of ISK. None of those are forced on you. You will be forced to do something when CCP will tell you "Do task X or your account gets cancelled". It's effectively present in EVE right now in the form of keep a valid subscription or use a PLEX or else your account goes inactive. That is effectively the only thing CCP force you to do and that will still be the case once you get the opportunity to kill a rat for 10k SP. The fact that it's a stupid daily does not change the fact that you have the absolute right to just not do it and CCP won't do a thing to you. Your character will still earn X SP/hours based on it's attributes and current progressing skill. You will still be able tolog into the game and will still be able to do everything your character is skilled for.
Be happy tho, removal of recently added feature is actually something which has a precedent in EVE so MAYBE bitching about it can lead to it's removal.
KIller Wabbit wrote:Pardon if I missed this detail somewhere, but is this an opportunity per account (10K) or per character (3x10K)?
Last info given by CCP Rise was once per account. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 20:44:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
did i ever say i was a non combat character?
im a 100% combat character and login everyday and actively roaming space huning, i also rp and refuse to shoot rats in my area because they are angel rats so i consider them blue to me, does that explain my position to you a bit better?
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
Your RPing is a personal choice. CCP don't have to take your personal choice into account when designing feature, especially the ones not even targeted at a player like you who admittedly logs in every day already. According to what your point of view looks to be, I should be mad because my own personal play style in every game to not bother with dailies unless the actual activity provide me a form of entertainment stop me from participating into it. Stop being childish and accept the consequence of your own choices. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.21 07:48:42 -
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Solhild wrote:Two accounts unsubbed (real money ones too!)
Every single account is a "real money" one... |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.21 21:05:46 -
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Titti Sabezan wrote:Totally unfair -- this needs to include PC kills. NPCs are run by the game -- therefore no player input -- Pc vs PC will make this a true contest.
Since when is EVE supposed to be fair? |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.21 21:07:36 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote: Your opening line set the tone - 'whatever happened to Risk v Reward & Actions v Consequences ?'
Your killboard looks like something that has taken minimal risks to attain maximum rewards, as far as skill points go.
Yeah, obviously you didn't comprehend my posted reply. This thread is about Recurring Opportunities giving free skillpoints daily, not about KB stats. FYI - I don't care about killboard stats, never did and never will. I didn't sub to this game for PvP anyway. Exploration videos by an Eve character named DNightmare is what inspired me to join this game. As for Risk v Reward, I take plenty of risk traveling through low and null sec space in a clone with +5 Attribute Implants. My reward is faster training time and I've always accepted the consequences of my actions in-game. By the way, there's a lot more to this game than just KB crap. DMC So just another forum poster who expects every single feature added to the game to revolve around their play style or they throw a fit, got it. Wow, you definitely lack reading comprehension. I do PvE and even though this feature of Recurring Opportunities fit's in with how I play the game, I still don't like it. You're either really dense or just a failed troll. DMC
Cut your losses man, you won't convince that brick wall... |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2843
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Posted - 2016.05.24 03:44:06 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:T-Jay Charante wrote:Can we please stop with the notion that shooting a rat for 2 minutes equals grinding for SP/XP all day long. It's making my brain hurt. W.O.R.M.H.O.L.E. If this required you to kill an incursion rat each day people would be flipping out because that's a lot of effort. Well. That's exactly what ratting is lIke in upper class wormholes. But CCP always ignores wormholers when they make stupid changes (see watchlist). And yes. Doing something stupid and tedious every day is a grind even if it's short. PI takes just a few minutes but if you do it every day it's a horrific grind and you quickly resent it. So can we just stop with the whole "it's not a grind" nonsense? It's the very definition of a grind.
You can always not do it if it bother you that much to "grind"... |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 03:46:09 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:I don't do carebear things.
You're asking me to do a carebear thing.
That's gross.
You are absolutely free to refuse to do the task given and in doing so, forfeit the 10k SP. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 13:02:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:"you updated a market order and ended up playing for an hour" - additional dailies added will cover this time, you'll be logging in for an hour to do dailies then logging out, so you wont be interacting you will simply be doing chores like everyone else. I kind of agree with the wormhole post, its similar to an rp'ers point where i either have to do a mission (finish mission or lose standings) or jump a ship a load of jumps so im not shooting my own faction rats. But its implemented anyway so this post is pointless, enjoy the daily chores. 
Depends how it's implemented. They could add any number of them but limit each account to let's say 3 reward/cycle. Then most people would be able to find 3 they would normally do during their game play and still make it so you can do it all relatively fast so you still have time to do other things with your game time. If they don't put a cap, then people will definitely burn out by forcing themselves to do even more stuff they dislike in the name of MOAR SP.
For the people who feel forced to do them, there is effectively nothing that can be done unless the feature goes away because you could probably have them punch themselves in the crotch on a daily basis if it awarded SP... Their best bet is a repeat of the "team" situation. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.25 14:55:16 -
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March rabbit wrote:Lisbeth Riraille wrote:The people against this are simply min-maxing to a ridiculous extent. It's 10k. It's a tiny SP boost. Don't be like a monkey with its fist in a jar trying to get the last peanut out when you're already sat on a massive pile of peanuts. Let it go, monkey. Where were You when CCP removed learning skills? You know: those skills which provided small boost to rate of getting SP. And yet, some people never undocked before they finished all the learning skills to V (which takes something like month or two) BEFORE training anything other. Because 'MUH RATE OF GETTING SP'. And CCP removed these skills. I wrote at that time that this is just the beginning of long road. And now we are here with dailies. Yes, you don't HAVE TO do them but you will 'lose your rate of getting SP'. Doesn't it sound familiar?
The problem is not the game but the playerbase who will do the stupidest thing in the name of faster SP. You will ahve people do stupid **** in that name all the time until CCP decide we all get SP at a flat rate no matter what and I really don't see that happening. |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.25 16:31:28 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Eliott Maelstrom wrote:[quote=Eliott Maelstrom]Literally not very impossible at all, I guess that's an argument? No it literally is impossible. If you are logging in and undocking daily you are creating content. A small amount of content, given, but thousands of people doing that adds up to a lot of content. I have to agree with Lucas (and damn you all to Hell for making me write that  ). Are you going to log in and try to do your daily during say a war dec? During and invasion of your space if you are in NS? If so you also have another name: target.
Who care about the circumstance? Every time a player undock, that player is a potential target which mean content. |
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.26 12:58:37 -
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March rabbit wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Teckos Pech wrote: Why you wouldn't undock until then...why? They provided no other benefit other than speeding up learning other skills. So you were no better at flying any ship after you finished them than you were once you finished them. In fact, your practical hands on knowledge would be less than if you had undocked.
So if this was true, those people were stoopid.
The problem is that you'd have to choose between learning the basic skills to get out and fight in a suitably-fit frig or learning the learning skills which would help you learn the frig skills faster. So, you spend a week learning skills to get out and pvp...then a few weeks getting learning skills up...then get into a regular skill plan. Or, you spend a week or two getting those first learning skills (and consuming 3d party knowledge) and 2 days getting those basic frigate pvp skills. It was a legit issue, but it was kind of like waiting in line at the Post Office. You're grumpy and upset about while you're in line, but happy and laughing at the people behind you when you're walking out. But it was similar in that it really had no affect on the people who were the most vocal complainers. Well...yes and no. No in that it wouldn't get you into that frig much faster since you'd first be spending time doing learning skills, and maybe science skills so you can do implants. Me personally used to create plan for like 2-3 months, then using EveMon apply learning skills for which this plan can be finished faster, then just walk the road. This way i was getting 'optimal' result for my current needs. Yes, i only got these skills up to IV if i'm not mistaken. But i have never waited just for them before i can go and train what i need. They were always helping me reach my target faster. So nope. It WAS possible to use learning skills for the benefit and not as reason to not play the game. But as it was too complex thing to understand for many players CCP removed all this system. Like they said 'lowering the bar'.
The problem is that just like right now, some people were OCD about their SP gains and would not train anything until they got their "progress speed" up to the max one. While they could still technically do a lot of thing in space, your race was the deciding factor for your base skills so if you choose base on look for example, you might not have the tools to do something. I'm pretty sure not all race had prop jamming which would make PvP a hard sell until you train it. |

Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:21:12 -
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March rabbit wrote:Do you have any credible source?
There isn't because they just translate "CCP said it would be ok" to "CCP created this for our purpose". It's a way to look more legitimate but it's only really useful to try to make people not petition the case.
Anytime you want to do something that might be viewed by someone as griefing, no matter how legitimate the griefing claim is or not, your best bet is to try to prevent said petition of ever existing in the first place. Whatever you say or link to the player in telling him it's useless to petition can be completely false as long as you succeed in preventing the petition of ever existing. |
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